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A Conversation With James Rollins
by Claire E. White
"Explore Beyond Reality" is the bold declaration at the top
of the website of New York Times bestselling author
James Rollins. It's a fitting motto for the author of
the adventure thrillers Deep Fathom, Excavation,
Subterranean, Ice Hunt,
Amazonia and Sandstorm.
His latest book, Map of Bones (William Morrow), is a heart-pounding mix of science,
adventure and mystery that hit the bestseller lists immediately.
Map of Bones is the first book in the new SIGMA series, featuring
an elite group of specialists with both special ops skills and
scientific backgrounds who are sent all over the world to
combat threats to the United States. The author describes the SIGMA team
as essentially a cadre of "killer scientists…men and women who are
deadlier than Bond and twice as smart."
But, like one of his SIGMA operatives, Jim finds that as an author it
is useful to have more than one identity. He is also known to fantasy fans
as James Clemens, author of the Banned and the Banished fantasy
series from Del Rey. The first book in his new epic fantasy series,
The Godslayer Chronicles, entitled Shadowfall, will be
published in July, 2005, by Roc.
His fantasy books have
been compared to those of Guy Gavriel Kay, and there have been a
spate of recent articles about his thrillers, naming him as one of the authors most likely
to inherit the mantle of Dan Brown. But Jim Rollins has his own unique
style: Map of Bones concerns ancient secrets and the Vatican, but the
focus of the story is more the science and adventure than the
art and history of The Da Vinci Code, for example. Nevertheless,
there's no doubt that the two authors will appeal to readers with similar tastes.
In our previous
interview, he talked about his evolution from
being a successful Sacramento veterinarian to being a working writer. Now,
five years later, his books regularly debut on all the bestseller lists,
and his growing readership is now multinational.
In this exclusive interview, Jim discusses the truth behind
Map of Bones, how growing up Catholic
gives him a different viewpoint when writing a thriller set in the
Vatican, and the dangers of allowing politics to trump science in the classroom.
Was there anyone in your life who particularly encouraged you in
creative pursuits like writing?
I think all that goes back to who first engaged me in reading. It was
books that really fired my imagination and made me want to tell my own
stories. And the person who first indoctrinated me into the wonders and
worlds found between the covers of novels was my mother. I come from a
family of seven kids (as a Polish Roman Catholic family, you are not
allowed to have less than six children), and we did not have much money.
For entertainment on Saturdays, even matinées were out of the question, so
my mother would drag all seven of us to the local library, where we'd
spend the afternoon. Libraries became my playground and source of
unending adventures. And for that I must thank my mother, who not only
made this introduction, but she also led by example. She always had a
book with her, was always reading, and never once told me "You can't do
that."
You write quite a bit about heroes. Who were your heroes
(fictional or real) when you were growing up? What, to you, makes a
real-life hero in today's world?
Well, for real heroes, I think I hinted at that before, but of the
fictional heroes who most influenced me, that would be a character from
the pulp dime-novels of the thirties and forties: Doc Savage. Written
under the pseudonym Kenneth Robeson, the novels were reprinted in
paperback by Bantam books. There were 181 novels. I still have them
all. Why did this particular character appeal to me? Not only was Doc
the usual swashbuckling adventurer who solves mysteries and saves the
world each time, but he was also a scientist. A geek who honed his mind
as much as his body. And you'll see some of this same sentiment in the
creation of my current series team, Sigma Force. They are a band of
"killer scientists" who operate outside the rules of law...and beyond
the boundaries of proven theory! It all goes back to Doc Savage.
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"I wanted to create a character who, like all of us, is
faced with more than just saving the world. While saving the world is
always appreciated, I also wanted to give him challenges that all of us
face: family problems, romantic entanglements, old resentments, a
mortgage to pay. Those stresses can be as difficult to solve as any
megalomaniac with a cesium bomb."
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Sandstorm is now coming out in paperback, with a very
interesting new cover. Tell us about the special edition with the
new lenticular (motion-
image) cover.
I certainly have to give my publishers credit for breaking barriers with
the mass market editions of my books. With my first book, Subterranean,
my publishers took a chance by developing a multiple stepback cover-the
first of its kind. And once again, they're pulling out all stops and
releasing Sandstorm with a new lenticular holographic cover, employing a
new patented technology. Using new innovations in imaging technology,
they are able to produce a 3-D image with a realistic depth and shape
unseen before. And as a writer who delves into new sciences, what could
be more gratifying?
Although you write series fiction in the fantasy genre, before
Sandstorm you always wrote stand-alone thrillers. Sandstorm introduced
readers to the elite Sigma Force and to Painter Crowe. How will the Sigma
Force series work as far as recurring characters? What prompted you to
take on a serial aspect to your thrillers?
For years, readers have
contacted me and asked questions about various cast members from my
earlier books. What became of Ashley and Ben's baby after Subterranean?
What is the next port of call for the crew of the Deep Fathom? What
about was incubating in the tanks at the end of Excavation?
I came to realize that I wanted to know those answers, too. I was no
longer satisfied with the confines of a single book. So I challenged
myself to construct a series-something unique and distinct. I wanted to
build a landscape of three-dimensional characters and to create my own
mythology of these people's lives. I didn't want to fashion a series
like the hundreds out there already, where one character is constantly
bumbling into one harrowing adventure after another, who never really
ages, who never really grows.
While there certainly will be a central recurring character in the series,
the supporting players will come and go in what I describe as a
"revolving set of characters around a central figure." All these
characters will grow over the course of the series, balancing personal
lives and professional, some succeeding, some failing. The same with the
central character, a new member to Sigma Force: Commander Gray Pierce.
He will struggle to find his own path to balance family, God, and country,
stumbling along the way, but ultimately finding his path.
Let's talk about your new book, Map of Bones, which is
being compared to The Da Vinci Code, (although I understand you
started the book long before The Da Vinci Code was released).
What originally sparked your imagination for this story?
Map of Bones was my attempt to tell a historical thriller set against a
backdrop of mythology, Catholicism, and current-day technology. And
while I knew in advance my novel would be compared to Dan Brown's The Da
Vinci Code, the germ for this idea actually started about ten years ago.
I had come across a text while vacationing in Rome, about Vatican history
and intrigue during the Great Schism where Europe was split by popes and
anti-popes and the papacy was driven out of Rome to France. I found this
bit of history fraught with possibility. But I didn't yet have the
fictional thriller to go with it. So over the course of the past decade,
I began collating ideas, bits of character, trickles of storyline until
the larger story gelled into existence. This became Map of Bones.
Still there is another underlying reason I decided to tell this story now.
Many thrillers, when collided with the Catholic Church or the Vatican,
paint the Church, faith, and belief in a disparaging light. In Map of
Bones, I sought to show the Church and its past in a manner that is both
realistic and acknowledges some of the Vatican's corrupted past, but also
stresses the role of Church as a fundamental factor in forming Western
Civilization, and how faith in all its forms is as part of human nature as
our own biology, whether it be the belief in God, a Higher Power, or in
the substantive good in mankind.
And yes, besides all that, it's also a nonstop wild chase around the
Mediterranean through tombs, crypts, crumbling palaces, and the Seven
Wonders of the Ancient World.
In Map of Bones, we meet a new Sigma team leader,
Commander Gray Pierce, who is facing a difficult family situation:
his father has Alzheimer's. This is a pretty serious personal
complication to throw at an action hero, and the scenes Gray has
with his father are quite moving. What went into your decision to
give Pierce the background that you did? And will we see Pierce
again?
You certainly will see Gray Pierce and Painter Crowe in the next
book -- along with the return of a character from one my stand-alone
thrillers (but who that is I'll leave as a mystery for now). As to
Gray's family life, I wanted to create a character who, like all of us, is
faced with more than just saving the world. While saving the world is
always appreciated, I also wanted to give him challenges that all of us
face: family problems, romantic entanglements, old resentments, a
mortgage to pay. Those stresses can be as difficult to solve as any
megalomaniac with a cesium bomb.
I loved the mysterious and deadly Seichan; she manages to
steal every scene in which she appears. What was your inspiration
for Seichan? And will we see her again?
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"Many popes have radically altered their approach to faith
and dogma upon donning the mantle and miter of the papacy. I hope Pope
Benedict XVI will soften his intolerant rhetoric. And anyone who loves
animals must have some measure of compassion and empathy. I hope this
part of his heart grows and the didactic and hard-lined rigidity softens."
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Oh, most definitely. I love her. That character actually came from the
very first book I ever wrote: Subterranean. She was originally one of
the villain's nefarious contacts in that book, but her scene was axed
during the editorial process. I fought against that cut quite hard
because I found her so fascinating. I knew I'd eventually bring her
back. And trust me, her arc through this series will catch everyone off
guard. Including Gray Pierce.
Your thrillers always have quite a few characters in leading
roles, not just supporting ones. Does this present any particular
challenges, as opposed to writing a thriller mostly from the point of view
of only one protagonist?
My stories are full of jeopardy, with proverbial
cliff-hangers around every corner. If I'm to have you care about
character in jeopardy, I have to convince the reader to have empathy and
sympathy for that character. The only way to achieve that is to have
even the supporting characters display a rich emotional context. And in
the process of doing so, supporting characters begin to develop a life of
their own, growing in weight and significance throughout the novel. I
wouldn't have it any other way!
The heroine of Map of Bones is Lieutenant Rachel Verona
of the Carabinieri in Rome. What was the greatest challenge in
creating Rachel? Were there any traits you were specifically trying to
avoid with her?
I wanted Rachel to be as engaging, hard-headed, and
resourceful as the "hero"
of the story. So while she has vulnerabilities, she is no shrinking
violet. I also wanted her to have roots and family ties as complicated as
any other character. Place and character should always be intimately
tied together.
Rachel's Uncle Vigor is another interesting character;
there's certainly more to him than meets the eye. How much do we
know about the Vatican's secret service?
The Vatican is very reticent about discussing such matters, operating
under a code of silence. But like any government, the Vatican does
indeed maintain a sophisticated intelligence-gathering operation, even
employing full-time agents. One of its most notable and heroic missions
took place during the Cold War, when the Vatican attempted to smuggle
priests into the Soviet Bloc to act as spies.
And even today, such clandestine operations continue. During the Iraq
war, the Vatican maintained detailed intelligence of conditions on the
ground -- gleaned not from individual spies, but from its community of two
hundred thousand Iraqi Catholics. And perhaps therein lies the Vatican's
greatest strength: Between its diplomatic ambassadors, its worldwide
charitable organizations, and its millions of parishioners and lay
persons, the Vatican certainly maintains a sophisticated global network of
eyes and ears.
What was the most challenging aspect of writing this
series?
I think the most challenging part is getting all the little details right,
and I don't mean just the factoids, but also those tiny foibles and
nuances that enliven characters and make settings sparkle and breathe.
The big plot and ideas are the easy part. The best stories only come to
life in the manipulation of tiny details. Getting those right is always
a challenge.
You've been doing a lot more touring and author readings it
seems. Do you enjoy touring? What's the strangest thing that's
happened to you on tour?
Touring itself is a weird beast. It's humbling, exhilarating,
exhausting, and boring at times. But it is all worth shaking the hands
of folks who have supported my stories and helped grow my readership by
word-of-mouth. Plus I like to travel and to visit corners of the country
where I've never been. As to weird, I was signing in a bookstore
yesterday whose mascot was a hairless breed of cat (the breed is a Sphinx
and the cat's name was Ripley). She was a charmer.
Many of the current political battles have at their core the
longstanding friction between science and religion. Cloning of humans,
cloning of pets, genetic manipulation, renewable energy, stem cell
research: how these issues are decided will affect millions of people's
lives. Do science and religion have to be at odds with each other? Who
should be deciding the ethics issues that arise with new technologies?
When asked about recurring themes to my novel, the answer lies in the
question you ask. Technology and advances in science are not a matter of
just cogs and wheels. They often come with a human cost, a moral
ambiguity. Technology tests our moral compass. And lately, I think what
may be triggering the current backlash against some aspects of scientific
research, like stem cells and cloning, may come from the growing
escalation and evolution of technology: beyond the ability of the
general public to understand the intricate nuances and outstripping our
abilities to judge them dispassionately and fully. And while disturbing,
such questions and quandaries are wonderful fodder for the scientific
thriller.
The election of Pope Benedict XVI thrilled conservative
Catholics and disturbed liberal Catholics, because of his prior
rulings on hot button issues such as homosexuality, women clergy,
contraception and the superiority of the Catholic religion to other
religions. But this is a complex Pope who is known to love cats, and has
made speeches about the immorality of mistreating animals (PETA recently
wrote him a letter asking for another statement about animal rights, in
fact). Do you think that Pope Benedict will be conservative in his reign?
Or do you think he will moderate somewhat, especially on issues of
ecumenicalism?
Many popes have radically altered their approach to faith
and dogma upon donning the mantle and miter of the papacy. I hope Pope
Benedict XVI will soften his intolerant rhetoric. And anyone who loves
animals must have some measure of compassion and empathy. I hope this
part of his heart grows and the didactic and hard-lined rigidity softens.
But only time will tell.
Many schools are cutting back on science and math
courses, and now there is a controversy about whether Darwinian
evolution should continue to be taught to students. What are your
thoughts about the place of science in our modern culture? Can
fiction be a tool to get people more interested in scientific
discoveries?
Most certainly. I think the best way to teach is not by dry rote, but
through excitement and entertainment. I find it very disconcerting to
see school systems back-sliding from scientific principles and basic
education in the name of political agendas. To keep a people ignorant is
to control and subjugate them. To demand blind faith and to label
inquiry as disloyal is a frightening slope into totalitarianism. Freedom
depends on the raised hand and the question Why. It is a responsibility
of all of us...even us writers of escapist fiction.
If you were given unfettered access to all of the secret
Vatican archives, where would you go and what would you look for?
The place is rich in bits of hidden history. I would especially like to
read the forbidden diaries of some of the more notorious popes of the
early centuries, like the Borgia pope. Then there's the Third Secret of
Fatima, hidden and locked away for centuries, read only by each pope upon
assuming the papacy.
Supposedly the text predicted the date the world would end. But its
contents were finally revealed in 2000 by Pope John Paul II and found to
be unremarkable. I still wonder if there might be more left
unrevealed: I'd take a peek just to be sure. In case I need to change
my retirement plans.
Please tell us about your new fantasy series, The Godslayer
Chronicles.
I'm very excited about this series. Opening a new world and new
landscapes is one of the great joys of writing: as is taking a long
journey with an exciting cast of characters. The first book, Shadowfall,
starts with the death of an immortal god. The crime is pinned on a
stripped and fallen knight. He must flee from hunters and pursuers of
every ilk, while trying to clear his name and expose the real killer.
But this just scratches the surface. The world of Myrillia is one vast
and mysterious land, with a long bloody history...full of characters
bright and dark, and all shades in between.
If you were forced to become one of your characters from
any of your books for a year, who would you be and when?
Nathan Rand from Amazonia. I love the rainforests of South America and
would happily spend a year exploring those dark paths and flowing waters.
Or maybe Tshui, the villainess from the same book. I always wanted to
try my hand at shrinking heads.
You mentioned that you run a spay and neuter clinic on the
weekends. What's your opinion of the trap, mark and release
programs for feral cat populations? Is this problem getting worse in the
U.S.?
It certainly is a rapidly escalating and tragic problem. I work
with the Sacramento Council of Cats here in town, where we do have a whole
network of volunteers who trap feral cats, bring them to the local animal
shelter, where I or one of the other veterinarians spay and neuter them.
We also test for Feline Leukemia and Feline Aids. Once recovered, the
cats are re-released where they were trapped. Kittens and manageable
adult cats are kept for adoption in a no-kill shelter. Similar programs
are found in most large cities. They are all well worth supporting.
What are your pet peeves in life?
Dr. Jim in surgery.
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That the tastiest foods are the worst for you. It seems from an
evolutionary standpoint chocolate should be a health food.
If you could go back in time and talk to your 16 year-old self,
what would you tell him? And would you listen to yourself?
I'd tell him to
never accept NO for an answer when it came to life. To parrot my mother
from the first question, never accept "You can't do that." As for me
heeding any advice when I was sixteen, I was too busy reading and
dreaming. And besides, why should I listen to that forty-something guy
over there? What does he know about life? The true answer: not much.
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**You can read our review of Map of Bones
here.
**You can read our prior interview with Jim,
here.
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